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First time breeders got a needy duckling

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  • Started 2 years ago by duckduckgoose
  • Latest reply from m40mo

  1. duckduckgoose
    Member

    Hello all. I will start by telling you that this is a brand new experience for me and my girlfriend, we have never owned ducks nor tried to breed animals before. A year ago we bought 2 ducks from a local shop and began to look after them. They were bought as a present and merely kept for the joy of having ducks run loose round the garden. From Feb 2011 to April 2011 we had already got approx 60 eggs out from the hutch that served nicely as my girlfriends dinner every night as they were not being looked after and we doubted their fertility.

    In may 2011 we noticed she had laid more and had also began building a nest so we enquired about it at the shop we bought the ducks from and decided to let nature take it's course. Turns out there was 12 eggs and the first two hatched today within about 10 hours of each other, and when checking the other ones i could feel at least another four knocking from the inside.

    Unfortunatly our first two are not great success stories. The first that hatched was later found outside the hutch on its own and the mother ran away from it when i placed it back in, so we took the liberty of doing the final parts ourself and researching like crazy. The second that had hatched today i then found on the bottom of the nest dead, as if it had been squashed.

    So we now have a very needy duckling living in the bedroom with us sitting in a large plastic tub with straw, food, water, a cuddly toy, and a spare heatlamp we use on our reptiles. Is there anything else we can do to help this poor sod out because its midnight and the thing wont stop crying. Everytime one of us walks out the room for something the duckling (we named Lucky - how origional) starts chirping and we cant get to sleep. We thought we had it settled and then it woke up about 20minutes ago and started again.

    It's the cutest thing i have ever seen and we have already got him/her handfeeding AND taught her to swim, is this normal on day 1? It's amazing to see but christ is the thing keeping us awake. We have been putting our hand over its back and "nesting" it to settle it and it finally goes to sleep, only to wake up 10 minutes later crying again. What else can we do to please this little duckling and get some sleep?

    PS: We was also considering moving the remaining eggs into the same tub as Lucky due to a lack of faith in the parents given the recent events today. We even seperated the parents in seperate hutches to see if that keeps down the stress levels. Will the eggs be ok in a tub for the final 2 days they need provided we simulate the incubation?

    PPS: Sorry for the essay folks.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. campbell ridge
    Administrator

    Hi sorry to hear of your predicament. I think that your duck is confused so she has now rejected the eggs/ducklings. You can risk her keeping the remaining - only if she is still sitting on them which is the best temperature for them - but you will have to watch her like a hawk and now you have stepped in by removing some she may well not take to them. ( There is the chance that she knows there was a physical problem with the existing duckling, which is why she expelled it) or it could have been Dad that has killed/ejected the hatches.
    If they are going to hatch then they will start to pip today so you need to look into correct temperatures for brooding ducklings. ie if they huddle near the heat source its not warm enough, if they move away its too warm.
    Existing duckling:
    She needs water to drink at all times. Put it next to her chick starter crumb or VERY sloppy wet crumb/mash in water. She must be able to eat and drink when she wants it.
    Place a soft toy in with her and hopefully that will settle it. As she was with her mother for the first few hours she may well have got some of her protective oils from her which has mader her waterproof, but don't let her in the water again, unless you are sure her fluff doesn't get wetted (changing colour) even if you dry her off after, she is at risk of getting chilled until waterproof - one week + for non mother raised ducklings.

    Sarah L
    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. quackers1984
    Member

    i know what you mean, ive had 2 ducklings living in the house the past 3 weeks since they were hatched. theyre in the living room which is where we spend most time and the garden in their cage when the weather is nice, so they can try and get on with the big ducks. i think they will definately appreciate a cuddly toy, go to a charity shop, mine have 2 toy duckies!! mine woke me up this morning from crying, they start to cheep excitedly when we walk in the room!! I dont know about hatching as my incubation last year wasnt a success story, my egg called lucky died after 3 weeks ) :

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. duckduckgoose
    Member

    Thankyou both for your replies it is really helpfull stuff. The duckling now living in our room kept us awake all night so we had to take it in turns to lay next to the box to keep Lucky quiet. We havnt removed any other eggs or ducklings other than the one that died and Lucky but another has hatched this morning and we fear for its safety being in with the parents (since 1 was crushed and the other rejected).

    The mother is still sitting on the remaining eggs and with it being much colder this morning she only came out for a brief moment to wash. The duckling we have in the room with us has mushy chick feed, dry chick feed, and plenty of water. The tub is fairly long so we have ~80f 1 end and 40f the other, plenty of leverage for temp difference and the chick can move freely.

    Yeah he/she did have the oil on the feathers, we noticed the water running straight off her back so it didnt take long to get her dry.

    The ultimate question is, now do we take the chicks out and put them in the tub or a makeshift heated box (pretty much a vivarium) when they hatch to avoid any more deaths and rejections. We are not able to watch the parents like a hawk from monday beyond due to us both working so it's getting to a health and safety topic now.

    Any other tips & hints are well appreciated and i thank you again for previous advice.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. hello what a delema for you, Sarah gives you excellent advice, I understand your fears if you have to go back to work on Monday but they should all be hatched by then and 3 days is a long time you will have a better understanding of how things are going, my advice would be to keep watching and leave the duckling with mum for now, its highly unlikely the dead duckling was crushed, sad but probably just died maybe taking to long to hatch,if she shows signs of being a good mum I would also put lucky back with her

    mo x
    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. duckduckgoose
    Member

    Thats excellent thankyou. We took the new arrival out this morning and popped it in with Lucky as the dad wouldnt leave the hutch while it was there. Mother didnt seem too bothered i offered her some spinach and took the duckling in return, she sat straight back on the nest. Lucky now seems to have stopped the crying as he/she now has company and a playmate.

    The reason i thought the other one was crushed was because it was fully out of the egg and dead under all the others, when it was the highest up during the hatch. It was all squashed as if it had been run over but no signs of any physical wounds (ie no blood or marks).

    I think we will try putting them both back in with mother and see her reaction, if all goes well then we'll put them in full time again. They are still all in the same pen but we have several hutches so father sleeps on his own at night leaving mother to continue the hatching & sitting.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. campbell ridge
    Administrator

    If you put the ducklings back in with mum you must watch them carefully to see what both the adults do. It may be one or the other. If its Dad, remove him completely and keep him away til the ducklings are at least 4 weeks old. If it's Mum then you have to remove them at the first sign of aggression. A good mother duck will not be agressive, and will sit very gently over them to keep them warm. Agression will generally be by the beak and would normally be the male.

    Sarah L
    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. duckduckgoose
    Member

    So would it be safer for all if we kept them in this "vivarium" untill 3 weeks old? I was considering putting a heat source in one of the spare hutches outside to seperate them, is that a better idea? The ducklings seem quite happy and we took them out in the garden today, they spent that time following wherever my girlfriend went. I guess they now see her as mother duck?

    Sorry if these questions seem stupid, were first time keepers and didnt even know we had a breeding pair till 3 months ago =D

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. campbell ridge
    Administrator

    Not silly at all. You obviously care a great deal for your little brood.
    If it were me I would be inclined to keep as much watch as possible to find out what is going on and not assume anything at this stage. And as I suggested before, would prefer to remove the drake as a precaution rather than the ducklings. How does she react to the ducklings squeaks? Do you have a video camera you can rig up for when you are at work.? Couldn't one of you take the day off to investigate? They should all be hatched within 3 days of each other.
    Try not to wear them out by lots of walking just yet, they need lots of food, water, warmth and sleep at this stage as they grow so fast. :)

    Sarah L
    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Mama
    Member

    Lovely story , and no questions are stupid to any of us .We all have had to learn from each other .They would be better with mama duck but that depends on how safe you feel with that as you know the duck .Try at nightfall putting them under her and see what happens in the morning as dad is not there all should go well . Good luck .Mama

    Goose Girl
    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. duckduckgoose
    Member

    The mother doesnt seem so bothered about the ducklings. When we had them in the garden the other side of the duck pen earlier the dad seemed a bit nosey but no aggression (from what we can tell). Mother just pretty much ignored it. Another was pushed out tonight so that is in the tub with the other two now also. They all seem to be getting on well and are learning from each other (similar to what we are all doing on the forums) by following one another and realising where the food/drink areas are. All seems well and they have snuggled in together for the night, crying has stopped so atleast we get sleep now.

    Our main concern is that we dont know whether it is the mother or the father that is doing the discarding and with so many animals it is getting hard to keep an eye on all of them. At the moment we have a chameleon that isnt drinking and 30 bearded dragon eggs in incubation on top of all the reptiles we keep already. Anyone want to come be my eyes for a day? =D

    Thanks for all your help folks, its really appreciated and we would be pulling our hair out if it were not for the support you have given us!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. hi again, if you don't know if its mum or dad then like Sarah has said dad is the most likely to be the problem here, he really needs moving out and kept out if mum is to stand any chance of raising her own ducklings, its only for a short period of time but an important time,then hopefully things will settle and get back to normal
    what happens when you say another pushed out exactly, is it a long way from mum or could it just be having a wonder round as it will be pretty busy under mum at the momment

    mo x
    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. duckduckgoose
    Member

    We will try ducklings under Mum tomorrow as we are both home and can really watch to make sure, even though my boyfriend isn't to keen on doing this. As he has said before we had them out (which now I know was wrong)and Mum was to busy eatting and drinking and not taking any notice of them, is that normal??

    Also can your smell on the ducklings put Mum off?

    Once again sorry for the questions.

    Nicki - girlfriend of Duck Duck
    x

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. Hi Nicki, have anymore hatched yet,if so how is mum behaveing, the advice here is good but you are the ones watching whats going on, if your boyfriend isnt happy putting them back then don't, intuition is a great thing, but there's alot to do if you decide to raise them yourselves
    and yes its normal for mum to need to eat as long as she's not of the nest for long, dad really is your main worry at this stage
    and stop saying sorry its best to ask then wait until there's a real problem

    mo x
    Posted 2 years ago #

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